Thursday, August 14, 2008

Who had top year?

Candidate 1: .321/.375/.559
34HR, 97R, 130RBI, 3SB
team record: 96-66, playoffs
Silver Slugger

Candidate 2: .287/.413/.636
54HR, 115R, 137RBI, 1SB
team record: 86-76
Silver Slugger, All-Star

Candidate 3: .315/.385/.622
44HR, 103R, 120RBI, 7SB
team record: 90-72
Silver Slugger, All-Star

Candidate 4: .270/.381/.545
39HR, 77R, 114RBI, 0SB
team record: 93-69, playoffs
about 100 less ABs than the rest,

Candidate 5: .343/.414/.483
14HR, 118R, 97RBI, 34SB
team record: 97-65, playoffs
Silver Slugger, Gold Glove, Hank Aaron Award, All-Star

Candidate 6: .277ERA, .997WHIP
233.7IP, 245K, 47BB, 1CG
team record: 96-66, playoffs
Cy Young Award, Triple Crown, All-Star

12 comments:

TheRiot said...

too appease the masses:

Candidate 7: .347/.429/.507
13HR, 86R, 84RBI, 8SB
team record: 96-66, playoffs
Batting Champ, Silver Slugger

NapsTheMasher said...

1= justin morneau
2= david ortiz
3= jermaine dye
4= frank thomas
5= derek jeter
6= johan santana
7= joe mauer

1 vs. 2: 1 wins because, while he hit 20 less home runs, he still only had seven less rbi's. while it was not by much, 1 was a better two out hitter than 2, hit for better average, and was a more important role player on his team. without player 1 his team does not make the playoffs. player 2's team didn't make the playoffs.

1 vs. 3: more or less, the same arguemtns as above. player 1's team made the playoffs largely because of player 1's contribution, while player 3's team didn't make the post season.

1 vs. 4: had candidate 4 had those 100 extra at-bat's i think he'd be an arguable choice for mvp. unfortunately without those ab's his number's aren't what they could have been.

1 vs. 5: this is a battle of philosophies. is a run producer more important than an igniter? without getting too deep, i say run producer. i really couldn't refute an argument that supported the other side of the debate.

1 vs. 6: another one of the great debates. pitchers only play every fifth day, so many would argue that they shouldn't be eligible for most valuable. i would argue that without player 6 his team doesn't make the playoffs, but still, the every fifth day thing is hard to get past.

1 vs. 7: same argument as 1 vs. 5. i really can't argue with someone who thinks his role is more important than number 1's role, i just tend to favor run producers.

chew on that.

TheRiot said...

Ortiz has the best numbers. However, both his and Dye's teams fell apart down the stretch. Frank Thomas's numbers aren't quite there, but that is an intriguing.

NapsTheMasher said...

stats don't tell the whole story.

TheRiot said...

best offensively and defensively at your position, being on a team that made the playoffs, and being the only player on your team in the top twelve in MVP voting tells the story.

Jeter should have won the 2006 AL MVP

KillahCraig said...

there needs to be a distinction of what the mvp truly means. Is it the best player that carried his team to the playoffs or the guy with the best numbers? Regardless of your take i think Josh Hamilton deserves the MVP this year.

TheRiot said...

i think of it as most valuable player to your team. However, if your team isn't worth shit, then niehter are you. In a year like this AL year, i think you gotta go pure stats, because the contenders have had such team efforts. So, yeah, Hamilton

TheRiot said...

Joe Mauer, Mr. 4-6-3, had a higher OPS than Morneau in '06.

NapsTheMasher said...

i agree, but if the white sox end up making the post-season, and he continues to stay hot, don't be surprised if carlos quentin gets some serious consideration.

NapsTheMasher said...

and why does the mvp have to be on a winning team, while it doesn't matter what they cy young winner's team does? just trying to spark some debate here...

KillahCraig said...

Great point Naps. The Cy Young is award totally based on numbers, and how the writers determine what numbers are more meaningful(wins vs. ERA, K's vs. WHIP) The MVP seems to go back and forth as to stats or "Most Valuable" to the team. A-Rod won an MVP on a crappy Ranger team and Bonds won many on sub-par teams. It seems to depend on the situation. If the teams that make the playoffs don't have one definitive guy that carried them, it seems to go to the guy with better stats. Also, if a player has a crazy year numbers-wise, he's a shoe in for MVP

RedDog20/20 said...

Who gives a shit about the Hank Aaron Award?